{"id":156,"date":"2008-10-03T16:45:45","date_gmt":"2008-10-03T14:45:45","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/michauko.org\/blog\/?p=156"},"modified":"2009-10-08T15:13:24","modified_gmt":"2009-10-08T13:13:24","slug":"pense-bete-pour-migrer-sympa-loutil-de-mailing-lists","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/michauko.org\/blog\/pense-bete-pour-migrer-sympa-loutil-de-mailing-lists-156\/","title":{"rendered":"Pense-b\u00eate pour migrer \u00ab\u00a0sympa\u00a0\u00bb, l&rsquo;outil de mailing-lists"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>Salut,<\/p>\n<p>J&rsquo;ai eu \u00e0 d\u00e9placer l&rsquo;outil <a href=\"http:\/\/www.sympa.org\/\">sympa<\/a> &#8211; tr\u00e8s bien pour g\u00e9rer des mailings-lists avec mod\u00e9ration &#8211; d&rsquo;un serveur \u00e0 un autre.<br \/>\nL&rsquo;outil \u00e9tait sur le backend de mail, avec la conf apache de sympa, la base de donn\u00e9es de sympa et \u00e9videmment les binaires (le package sympa).<br \/>\nLe but \u00e9tait de d\u00e9placer la partie binaire, apache et base de donn\u00e9es ; en conservant les bo\u00eetes mails et alias sur le backend de d\u00e9part.<\/p>\n<p>Je vous livre un petit retour d&rsquo;exp\u00e9rience car c&rsquo;est un poil plus compliqu\u00e9 que de d\u00e9placer une application LAMP classique.<br \/>\nJe partais d&rsquo;une version Debian\/stable, donc package sympa 5.2.3-1.2+etch1 et la cible \u00e9tait la m\u00eame.<\/p>\n<p><em>Je consid\u00e8re que vous avez d\u00e9j\u00e0 un Apache2 et MySQL sur la machine cible &#8211; et une machine cible capable de relayer des mails (recevoir et envoyer) sur postfix<\/em><\/p>\n<h1>La migration classique<\/h1>\n<p>La base reste la m\u00eame :<br \/>\n1) Sur la machine cible, installez l&rsquo;application &#8211; m\u00eame version \u00e9videmment, packag\u00e9e.<br \/>\n2) Reprenez (\u00e0 la main ou en \u00e9crasant) la conf \/etc\/apache2\/conf.d\/sympa d&rsquo;un serveur \u00e0 l&rsquo;autre<br \/>\n3) Reprenez ou adaptez \/etc\/sympa<br \/>\n4) Exportez\/importez la base de donn\u00e9es \u00ab\u00a0sympa\u00a0\u00bb, comme une brute, par exemple :<\/p>\n<pre>machine_depart:$> mysqldump -u votre_user_qui_va_bien -p -B sympa > migr_sympa.sql\r\npuis\r\nmachine_cible:$> mysql -u user -p < migr_sympa.sql<\/pre>\n<p>5) Assurez-vous d'avoir les bons identifiants de login de l'application sympa dans les tables \"mysql\" de Mysql (= les tables du sch\u00e9ma mysql. Pig\u00e9 ? il doit y avoir notamment une ligne dans la table mysql.user concernant le User sympa) :<\/p>\n<pre>use mysql ; SELECT * from user where User = 'sympa';<\/pre>\n<h1>La partie sp\u00e9cifique \"sympa\"<\/h1>\n<p>Ce qui est ci-dessus est ce que vous auriez \u00e0 faire avec une appli LAMP typique qui stocke tout en base.<br \/>\nManque de chance, sympa - au moins dans la version 5.2 (actuellement 5.4 dispo, pas essay\u00e9) - stocke tout un tas d'informations dans <code>\/var\/lib\/sympa<\/code>, <code>\/usr\/lib\/sympa<\/code> etc. Sans compter les alias mails qui permettent de transmettre les mails aux processus de gestion de sympa.<br \/>\nDonc il vous reste \u00e0 faire :<\/p>\n<h2>La redirection des alias mail<\/h2>\n<p>Normalement, sur votre serveur de d\u00e9part, vous devriez avoir tout un tas d'alias de mail dans <code>\/etc\/aliases<\/code>, genre :<\/p>\n<pre>sympa:             \"| \/usr\/lib\/sympa\/bin\/queue sympa\"\r\nlistmaster:        \"| \/usr\/lib\/sympa\/bin\/queue listmaster\"\r\nsympa-request:     postmaster\r\nsympa-owner:       postmaster\r\nmaliste1:          \"| \/usr\/lib\/sympa\/bin\/queue maliste1\"\r\nmaliste1-request:  \"| \/usr\/lib\/sympa\/bin\/queue maliste1-request\"\r\nmaliste1-owner:    \"| \/usr\/lib\/sympa\/bin\/bouncequeue maliste1\"\r\nmaliste2.....\r\n<\/pre>\n<p>Il faut reprendre cette configuration telle quelle sur la machine cible et s'assurer sur la premi\u00e8re - qui reste la machine de backend de mail (mon MX en gros), donc celle qui re\u00e7oit le mail - qu'elle sache faire suivre tout \u00e7a \u00e0 la machine cible qui est devenue celle qui g\u00e8re sympa.<br \/>\nDonc dans la machine de d\u00e9part, vous trafiquerez tout de la sorte :<\/p>\n<pre>sympa:             \"sympa@machinecible.com\"\r\nlistmaster:        \"listmaster@machinecible.com\"\r\nsympa-request:     postmaster (j'ai laiss\u00e9 tel quel, c'est un choix)\r\nsympa-owner:       postmaster (j'ai laiss\u00e9 tel quel, c'est un choix)\r\nmaliste1:  \"maliste1@machinecible.com\"\r\nmaliste1-request:  \"maliste1-request@machinecible.com\"\r\nmaliste1-owner:  \"maliste1-owner@machinecible.com\"\r\nmaliste2.....\r\n<\/pre>\n<h2>A la recherche du bordel \u00e9parpill\u00e9 partout<\/h2>\n<p>Ensuite, je m'\u00e9tais arr\u00eat\u00e9 l\u00e0 - ahahah, erreur.<br \/>\nSur l'interface web (la nouvelle), je ne voyais plus mes listes. La raison est que \"sympa\" stocke les listes, les archives etc hors de la base, dans des r\u00e9pertoires comme <code>\/usr\/lib\/sympa<\/code> et <code>\/var\/lib\/sympa<\/code>.<br \/>\nDonc, il faut reprendre tout \u00e7a sur la machine cible (des b\u00eates \"tar\" avec conservation des permissions suffisent).<br \/>\nFinalement, j'ai opt\u00e9 pour un joli :<\/p>\n<pre>dpkg -L sympa | less<\/pre>\n<p>De l\u00e0, je suis pass\u00e9 dans tous les r\u00e9pertoires nomm\u00e9s (sauf les doc, le \"man\" etc - faut pas pousser) et je me suis assur\u00e9 qu'il n'y ait pas de diff\u00e9rence - attention \u00e0 certains droits en setuid\/setgid au nom de \"sympa:sympa\".<\/p>\n<p>Ensuite, vous envoyez la pur\u00e9e aupr\u00e8s de vos utilisateurs pour leur indiquer que le syst\u00e8me est \u00e0 nouveau dispo, sur une liste mod\u00e9r\u00e9e tant qu'\u00e0 faire, afin de bien faire tous les tests.<br \/>\nSi rien n'arrive, c'est pas grave, vous avez rat\u00e9 un truc.<br \/>\nSi vous recevez la demande de mod\u00e9ration, c'est que \u00e7a semble bien parti \ud83d\ude42<\/p>\n<h1>Le nettoyage<\/h1>\n<p>Lorsque vous ferez le <code>DROP DATABASE sympa <\/code>sur l'ancienne machine et le <code>aptitude purge sympa<\/code>, \u00e7a vous confirmera ce que je vous racontais sur le stockage des archives, des listes etc :<\/p>\n<p><a href='https:\/\/michauko.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/10\/purge_sympa.png'><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" src=\"https:\/\/michauko.org\/blog\/wp-content\/uploads\/2008\/10\/purge_sympa-150x150.png\" alt=\"\" title=\"purge_sympa\" width=\"150\" height=\"150\" class=\"alignnone size-thumbnail wp-image-155\" \/><\/a><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>Salut, J&rsquo;ai eu \u00e0 d\u00e9placer l&rsquo;outil sympa &#8211; tr\u00e8s bien pour g\u00e9rer des mailings-lists avec mod\u00e9ration &#8211; d&rsquo;un serveur \u00e0 un autre. 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